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Fire up the Clackamas
Rob Williams
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09/18/2014 - 9:17 am
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BrianEdwards said
The rain today should help.

Also, the drive up the beginning of Road 45 is gonna be radically different with no trees blocking the view from the cliffy perch. 

I'm hopeful that there will still be trees on that road - scorched trees, but hopefully still living trees.  I'm guessing it will definitely look different, though.

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Thursday evening I received good news related to the 36 Pit fire from a representative with PGE. He stated that the burn is almost entirely ground fire with very little torching and no extensive areas with dead tree canopy. Nearly all the big firs will be standing and green for all to see once the road opens. The shrub layer likely will be gone so views into the forest will be much more open for a few years anyway.

Expectation is that two hot dry days won't be enough to kick the fire back into high gear, especially after the burnouts and extensive line work that has been done but not yet reported. More drizzly weather next week. They have let all evacuees back into their homes or RVs.

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That is good news, Bryon.  Thank you for passing it along.  After seeing the news footage from their helicopters of big trees torching, I had expected the worst, and the maps seem to paint a worse picture.  The map I saw this morning shows it all the way to 4610 and essentially surrounding Silver Fox RV park, but maybe some of that is due to the back burns they have set.  It didn't expand too much last night for sure.  It definitely sounds like the worst is past for this fire.  The next big question is how long it will take to re-open 224?

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Thank you for the great info.  It is hard to see the Clackamas burn, almost painful - like losing parts of an old friend.  I can see why fire suppression was so intense for so many years.  Now with all this fragmentation there is little recourse.

Let's hope this is a nail in the coffin for many of these messed up shoot-em-up quarry hell holes...

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Here's the link for the latest infrared map. Scroll down a bit. Most of the burn area has cooled down a lot but some active spreading still is going on to the south, including a small area above Carter Bridge Campground, with most hot spots south of the river. The areas closest to Estacada have cooled substantially. Weather over the weekend will favor fire growth but with 40% containment and the large areas basically out north of the river scary fire growth is not likely. There may be torching of groups of trees however. And its back to light rain on Wednesday.

http://www.nwccinfo.blogspot.com/

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The fire grew quite a bit yesterday on the west side. It looks like it burned around Hillockburn Spring.

Here's the latest map:

36-Pit-Infrared-9-21-36_21.jpg

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The "Gipper" is burned. frown

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It looks like the fire is headed towards the Hillockburn trail now. 

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I think there are a lot more historical/interesting artifacts that got burned - more than just the Gipper....

Sounds like the weather is taking a turn today - cooler, wetter and sounds like we are going to get some real rain this week.  Maybe that will be enough to put this fire to rest.  We can hope.

I'm sure glad I got to explore those areas before they were burned.

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kirk said
The "Gipper" is burned. frown

36-Pit-Infrared-9_22.jpg

 

I was really hoping it would miss that trail sign, alas... Glad I seen the SF before it burnt

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Donald Presley said
It looks like the fire is headed towards the Hillockburn trail now. 

Hopefully it will just miss Hillockburn.  The report this afternoon said they are expecting it to spread 1/8 mile north and south of its current location, but the rain predicted (they said 3/4" this week!) would improve the situation drastically.  Sounds like they cut some pretty drastic fire lines along Hillockburn road - that will be interesting to see as well.....

You should take a look at some of the photos on the inciweb site.  They are interesting - showing planes dropping fire retardant, etc.  And one aerial view which I'm not sure where it was taken - but it showed a pretty burnt area - kind of looked like an old clearcut.

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Your link is broken, no pix, no joy.

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I copied the address from the broken link placeholder, thinking I could at least backtrack from it, and the picture showed up! Maybe you you have an incorrect character in the code.

By the look of it, I'd guess its a recent cut which hadn't yet had the slash burnt off. So they went ahead and torched it as part of Fire Operations, as the pix is labeled. There is a just bladed out road/firebreak (dirt showing not gravel like the rest of the roads) at the top. I've checked to see if I can match the roads but I think the roads may be newer than my map.

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Rob Williams said
Anyone recognize this area?

 

I'm pretty sure that's the spot fire that was up by Fall Creek Road. The North Fork is on the right edge of the photo.

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That is weird - when I posted it I could see the photo - they must have some sort of "anti leeching" code active.  Anyway, I posted the link to the photo - it came from the inciweb site.

Thanks for the idea.  It just looked really weird (and bad).

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The spot fire was just behind the place I used to live up on Fall Creek Rd. Close to 40110 SE Fall Cr. Rd. That area was logged a couple years ago. It is pretty far from the NF but not terribly far from Bee Cr. I think they could see the flames from the house before they evacuated.

And just as a sidenote, I think there is a decent chance that Lazy Bend Campground is still there. There are large pockets of unburned area in the ODOT vid and one of them appears to be about Lazy Bend. Hard to tell.

Rockfall on the road is going to be one of the more interesting aspects of the fire once they open the road but I think they will get that sorted out fairly quickly and re-open the road.

I've been trying for years to get that quarry closed to shooting. Hopefully that is the good part that comes out of this. I hadn't realized there was an old trail at Moore Cr. Where did it start?

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Here's today's map. Hopefully this will be the last one to show any growth.

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Pete Giordano397072624 said

I've been trying for years to get that quarry closed to shooting. Hopefully that is the good part that comes out of this. I hadn't realized there was an old trail at Moore Cr. Where did it start?

I agree, we don't need a shooting gallery along 224 and the Clackamas River in general, considering the amount of recreational use in the area.

The old trail up Moore Creek shows up on the '38 map as well as others and went up to a campground on La Dee Flat. I found the bottom segment several years ago above the power line right of way. There were a couple of switchbacks before going into an old clearcut with roads and logging pretty much wiping out the middle section. I picked the tread up again above the clearcut closer to the top. With the shooting going on below in the quarry I decided to get out of there. On a return visit coming up Moore Creek , I ran into a marijuana grow site near the creek with tents and a drip irrigation system to water the plants. Feeling uncomfortable I left and reported the site to the FS. I hadn't been back since.

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Hey do you guys know if you can get to 4614 to the upper Fanton TH?  Fall Creek Rd is about 1/2 way up the big climb before the drop into Promontory.

EDIT: no, the whole area is still closed:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Interne.....816842.pdf

Maybe the rain will change the closure anyway.

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