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Rob Williams
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12/29/2011 - 7:37 pm
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Thanks to some friends of the website, we have some new historical content.  I found it really interesting to read.  You can find it on the "Historical Items" menu option in the navigation menu.  Here are the items:

 

Notes about trips to Big Bottom in the 1940's and 50's

Notes about fishing the Upper Clackamas in the 1940's and 50's

Notes about the powerplants on the Upper Clackamas (Big Bottom was supposed to have a dam!)

Notes about the original discovery of the Cold Water Corydallis on the upper Clackamas

Paul Turner
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12/30/2011 - 8:46 pm
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Rob Williams said:

Thanks to some friends of the website, we have some new historical content.  I found it really interesting to read.  You can find it on the "Historical Items" menu option in the navigation menu.  Here are the items:

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Thanks Rob for posting these most interesting accounts, the post mentioning cabins at Pot Creek is sort of timely since a bunch of us went looking for the near-by trail this year. I'll have to keep an eye out for the Cold Water Corydallis...

 

--Paul

Rob Williams
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12/31/2011 - 10:10 am
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I can take no credit.  These were forwarded to me by Bob, but I think they are very interesting notes.  I thought the part about the planned dam at Big Bottom was especially interesting.  Glad that didn't happen, although I didn't see any reason why it was never built.

I thought I saw some mention that the Cold Water Cordyallis had disappeared from the upper Clackamas?  Or mostly gone due to all the road building?  I have to admit, I'm a pretty poor plant identifier...I try, but somehow I just have trouble with it.

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Interesting reading.  Thanks for posting these, Rob. 

I wasn't aware that there had been a shelter at Toms Meadow.  I wonder if there is any evidence of it still remaining.  According to the notes, it was still in good shape in 1953, so there's a chance that there might be some sign of it left.  Has anyone seen it or know where it is likely to be located?

Happy New Year to everyone!

Donovan
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01/01/2012 - 6:18 pm
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There was part of an iron stove top under some reprod fir between the meadow and the road a few years ago.

 

You can also get on the Collawash trail there. There is a log cut at the pull out. walk through there. Go down and cross the creek. Then straight through the small clearcut to the Collawash, and you will see it. The cut off to B o W drops off to cross, don't go that way, stay high.

 

I haven't taken it all the way out. Some one should and tell us about it. I stopped at a slide. The bench was visible on the other side.

 

D.

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Thanks, Donovan.  I'll have to poke around the edge of the meadow one of these days and see what else I can find.

I'm familiar with the trail segment near the river that you mention.  I'm curious too about the trail going the other direction from the meadow, back toward the Clackamas along the east side of the Collawash.  It looks like the Peat Creek road that's there now might have followed a similar route as the trail (as shown on the 1938 and 46 USFS maps).  Was it a typical practice for road construction to follow the routes of existing trails?  In any case, it looks like the road and logging may have wiped out big chunks of that trail.

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Rob Williams said:  I thought the part about the planned dam at Big Bottom was especially interesting.  Glad that didn't happen, although I didn't see any reason why it was never built.

 

It's possible that the proposed three-mile tunnel that would have been required to divert water from Big Bottom to the powerhouse might have been too expensive or difficult.  Maybe that's why it was never built.  Just a guess.

Donovan
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01/03/2012 - 7:36 pm
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I would think the Columbia system simply made it not worthwhile or needed.

Cheaper to buy power than make it.

 

About the trail north of Tom's. I looked some for it from Austin Point vicinity working south from the powerlines. But I think Don knows more on it. Kinda goes through that drunken flat of earth movement.

 

Beyond that I think we figured it was basically on under or beside the road.

 

How far up the Collawash did you go?

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Donovan said:

How far up the Collawash did you go?

Probably not much farther than you if I understand correctly.  The trail comes to the edge of the canyon where it looks like it has slid away.  There is a metal pipe stuck in the ground nearby, which was kind of odd to see out there.  I got around the edge of the slide and picked up the trail again as it headed uphill and away from the river.  I lost it again after a short distance in an area heavily littered with fallen trees and thickly covered with moss.  The old maps suggest that the trail turned away from the river and headed upslope at some point.  Maybe this was the place. 

Donovan
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01/04/2012 - 8:11 pm
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You went further than I. I took the pipe to be an earlier trail retaining effort.

Yes, up hill and to a junction. Two small lakes or pools. Looks interesting from the air. Always wanted to check it out. I figured the junction trail would come out to a spur off the road above. And that the river trail looked like it might have a nice mile or so before hitting roads or clear cuts.

So much to see.

 

D.

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01/28/2012 - 3:37 pm
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Cole Gardiner, mentioned in the "Clackamas Big Bottom Trips" article, is still active and advocating, as he is fond of putting it, "for the fish and wildlife, not the agency, but the critters". He is a board member of the Clackamas River Basin Council, and I see him monthly at those meetings.

We have added all 4 articles to our historical archives. Thanks very much for posting these!

I will also get a copy of the article on then-proposed hydroelectric projects to PGE, who now control all such projects in the Clackamas Basin. They will be interested in it from a historical viewpoint. The Big Bottom proposal demonstrates how little awareness there was of natural resource values at that point in time. The fact that what would have been destroyed in Big Bottom is now a Wilderness Area demonstrates how far we have come since.

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This is very cool to hear!  It all started with a camp trip with Don, looking for old history.  I wrote about it on the Green Cascadia blog, then Gene was nice enough to provide me with all this great information.  Another piece of the puzzle in a very dynamic world.  I hope more of these guys come forward before the past is gone for good.

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