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Sounds to Tumala Mtn.
Paul Turner
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05/16/2010 - 10:57 am
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Hiked out of the Clackamas to Tumala Mtn. yesterday. The route was Sounds to Huxley Lake and the 521 to 4610 then I followed the road to Tumala Mtn. Lots of snow on 4610 from Lookout Springs going east. I saw many footprints around Lookout Springs but I wasn't sure if they were from ATVers coming up from below on the 521 or from up the 4610.

Sounds has a couple of trees across the trail early on that were larger than the saw I had but would be easy work for a chain saw. Clackamas Iris are blooming near the start of the trail – my favorite flower. There is a very disturbing campsite at the spot where Sounds ends on the drivable spur road – about 3 tents and a huge amount of trash. Not many things make me nervous in the woods but a campsite like this indicates to me I'm not dealing with people who care about the forest or anything else. I did not see any vehicles and the road has not been traveled on since the last rain. I took a couple of pictures (might have been a foolish choice to do so).

 

Messy campsite

 

The section of trail above the Pit area had some vine maple across the turning point on the switchback so I cleared it. Beyond that the ATV trail to Huxley lake had a couple of trees across. I expected to see ATVs but I saw no one on the trails all day. Here's Lookout Springs:

 

Lookout Springs

 

From there on to Tumala Mtn was a snowshoe. The snow is wet and very soft way down – I'd say it is mainly the late snow we got in March as it just doesn't feel like standard Cascade concrete. It'll be June before the parts of 4610 I travelled become snow free.

From Tumala's former lookout site is a shot of the trail traversing the rim above Tumala Lakes and Meadow.

 

Tumala Trail

 

Here's the map of my GPS track.

GPS track

 

Donovan
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05/16/2010 - 7:39 pm
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Glad to see someone use the whole route. that was always the hope in clearing out Sounds of Two Rivers. Then the 4 wheelers reamed out the mile or so from the pit to 521. I have looked a little for the trail on top that predates the road to Squaw Mtn summit but never found much. Some may have been more a sheep runway.

 

The camp has been reported to the FS. They might need a reminder. They need to get on it.

 

Paul Turner said:

 

Hiked out of the Clackamas to Tumala Mtn. yesterday. The route was Sounds to Huxley Lake and the 521 to 4610 then I followed the road to Tumala Mtn. Lots of snow on 4610 from Lookout Springs going east. I saw many footprints around Lookout Springs but I wasn't sure if they were from ATVers coming up from below on the 521 or from up the 4610.

Sounds has a couple of trees across the trail early on that were larger than the saw I had but would be easy work for a chain saw. Clackamas Iris are blooming near the start of the trail – my favorite flower. There is a very disturbing campsite at the spot where Sounds ends on the drivable spur road – about 3 tents and a huge amount of trash. Not many things make me nervous in the woods but a campsite like this indicates to me I'm not dealing with people who care about the forest or anything else. I did not see any vehicles and the road has not been traveled on since the last rain. I took a couple of pictures (might have been a foolish choice to do so).

 

Messy campsite

 

The section of trail above the Pit area had some vine maple across the turning point on the switchback so I cleared it. Beyond that the ATV trail to Huxley lake had a couple of trees across. I expected to see ATVs but I saw no one on the trails all day. Here's Lookout Springs:

 

Lookout Springs

 

From there on to Tumala Mtn was a snowshoe. The snow is wet and very soft way down – I'd say it is mainly the late snow we got in March as it just doesn't feel like standard Cascade concrete. It'll be June before the parts of 4610 I travelled become snow free.

From Tumala's former lookout site is a shot of the trail traversing the rim above Tumala Lakes and Meadow.

 

Tumala Trail

 

Here's the map of my GPS track.

GPS track

 


 

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Donovan said:

Glad to see someone use the whole route. that was always the hope in clearing out Sounds of Two Rivers. Then the 4 wheelers reamed out the mile or so from the pit to 521. I have looked a little for the trail on top that predates the road to Squaw Mtn summit but never found much. Some may have been more a sheep runway.

 

The camp has been reported to the FS. They might need a reminder. They need to get on it.

 

 


 

Donovan,

Thanks for the info on the camp, one of the creepier things I've encountered while hiking - my first thought was "meth lab", my second thought was "am I going to have to defend myself?" - no happy ending there. The critters I fear the most are on 2 legs.

A great route to travel; it's fun to be able to start at such a low elevation in mid/late spring and wind up at enough elevation to feel the tail end of winter.

--Paul

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It's often a little weird when a trail arrives at the end of some faint road.

There has been some Goth wierdness on Cripple Creek. I have met tweakers on Rimrock. And the Memaloose tunnel should also be approached with caution.

A few trail heads are also camps. Trail "X". Dickey Creek, although I think that's getting re-arranged on account of some expanded wilderness. Others of course.

The best trip I ever had on 521 was in the snow. It covers the ATV shredding, but the increased width of the shred makes it easy to follow.

But the last time I walked I found it hard to walk in the tire ruts. Between the ruts the tires throw up debris. And the lower rut is off tread and at an angle, . . . basically, I find the ATV tracks unpleasant to walk.

I haven't been on the steep stretch below Lookout Springs through the Rhodies for quite some time. After the FS allowed a dirt bike rally to run through there, and after seeing what neat things that did to what was a rather faint trail, I never went back.

What's that part like now?

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I haven't been on the steep stretch below Lookout Springs through the
Rhodies for quite some time. After the FS allowed a dirt bike rally to
run through there, and after seeing what neat things that did to what
was a rather faint trail, I never went back.

What's that part like now?

 

Well, if there ever were any switchbacks on this segment, the ATVs have removed them to the point it is pretty much straight up the hill. The ground is chewed up and has lots of sticks and branches as what we stumble over is no problem for them. I'd consider this section of trail to be the worst of the entire route - difficult hiking.

I wish I could have traveled it when it was a faint trail - were there any switchbacks through the steeper sections?

On the MHNF site, the 521 is marked as a wilderness trail so it will be interesting to see if the FS can keep the ATVs out.

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It's gotten worse then in 2 years since I've been there.  Too bad.  ATVs rule the Abbot and soon the rest of the district.  $$$ talks and people do what the hell they feel like anyway.  It really pisses me off.  Funny, the FS is littered in regulation that they don't have the staff to enforce.  I am trying to get a guide service started for the Clackamas District and you wouldn't believe the regulations and restrictions - for someone that actually cares about the wilds and is strongly in support of preservation.  For example, no guided trips are allowed in ANY wilderness in the MHNF, hiking, backpacking, nothing.  Meanwhile the carpenter ants are destroying the framework.  Maybe these are symptoms of the Urban Forest; with vehicles distance has become irrelavant.  I have also read of the exact problem of ATVs and trash in the NJ Pine Barrens, just down the road from Philiadelphia and over a million acres in size.  I'm sure it's a global symptom of our wired age. 

Is there any hope for nature?  There seems to be an epic battle forming.

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Paul Turner said:

 

I haven't been on the steep stretch below Lookout Springs through the

Rhodies for quite some time. After the FS allowed a dirt bike rally to

run through there, and after seeing what neat things that did to what

was a rather faint trail, I never went back.

What's that part like now?

 

Well, if there ever were any switchbacks on this segment, the ATVs have removed them to the point it is pretty much straight up the hill. The ground is chewed up and has lots of sticks and branches as what we stumble over is no problem for them. I'd consider this section of trail to be the worst of the entire route - difficult hiking.

I wish I could have traveled it when it was a faint trail - were there any switchbacks through the steeper sections?

On the MHNF site, the 521 is marked as a wilderness trail so it will be interesting to see if the FS can keep the ATVs out.


 

When I first walked from the lake to the spring at Corral Springs (junction) it was a faint moss and duff covered trail. It was a glimpse back in time. To before the Forest Service. A route up to the berry camps, a sheep route. A really old stretch of trail.

Like many pre FS trails, they go straight up with slight weaving. Like 502-A and the Bissell Trail.

Now it must be said that when that trail was heavily used by horse and stock and large families and hunters, it may well have also been a wide mud track. I have read accounts of large parties of horse and mule plying the trails and complaining about the slippery mud trails, dismounting, etc..

So in a way, it is the detriment of discovery and use old and new. I was just lucky enough to have been able to enjoy it when it was all but returned to duff.

To enjoy what it was like, take Grouse Point Trail  from the river to Dry Ridge junction. That's about what it was like.

I have no faith in the FS keeping ATVs out of the wilderness. They do not have the will to do so. Being a politicaly battered and batted agency, the goal is to be every one's friend.

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Donovan said:

I have no faith in the FS keeping ATVs out of the wilderness. They do not have the will to do so. Being a politicaly battered and batted agency, the goal is to be every one's friend.


 

Interesting. Since the FS is reviewing road closures across many (all?) forests, I suppose that means those of us who obey the rules will be the only ones walking in to recreate as the ATVs go sailing by.

I had a friend once who found a dirt bike stashed well back in a wilderness area along side a trail, and did a little sabotage in the gas tank. Don't think that is the path I'd take, but it would be enjoyable to watch a rule breaker have to push his machine back out of the wilderness/closure area.

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I would like to check out the Sounds trail, but haven't been able to find the trailhead.  I was out there yesterday looking for it using these directions, which I understand came from some earlier post on this forum:

"Go west on 224 around the bend to the large pullout under the power lines. At the west corner of the clearing at a pile of boulders enter the woods and find the trail. "

I found the pullout under the power lines easily enough, but didn't see the pile of boulders or find where to enter the woods.  Could anyone give me a little help here? 

Thanks.

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Doug Firman said:

I would like to check out the Sounds trail, but haven't been able to find the trailhead.  I was out there yesterday looking for it using these directions, which I understand came from some earlier post on this forum:

"Go west on 224 around the bend to the large pullout under the power lines. At the west corner of the clearing at a pile of boulders enter the woods and find the trail. "

I found the pullout under the power lines easily enough, but didn't see the pile of boulders or find where to enter the woods.  Could anyone give me a little help here? 

Thanks.


 

Doug,

This aerial photo of near the trailhead may help you locate the trail a little easier.

Don

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Don,

Thanks for the photo.  That will help.  It looks like the trail starts about where I parked my truck.  But for some reason I went uphill a ways along the edge of the cleared area and was looking for an opening in the woods up there.   Can the trail be easily seen as it enters the woods from the clearing?  I hope that you're not going to tell me that there's a big sign saying "Trail starts here" right next to where I parked.

Thanks for your help.  I'll give it another try one of these days.

Doug

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Doug Firman said:

Don,

Thanks for the photo.  That will help.  It looks like the trail starts about where I parked my truck.  But for some reason I went uphill a ways along the edge of the cleared area and was looking for an opening in the woods up there.   Can the trail be easily seen as it enters the woods from the clearing?  I hope that you're not going to tell me that there's a big sign saying "Trail starts here" right next to where I parked.

Thanks for your help.  I'll give it another try one of these days.

Doug


 

Doug,

There are some boulders you have to walk through before the tread becomes obvious and with the lack of use you don't see a well worn path. I haven't been up there for a couple of months, the flowers ought to be in full bloom by now. It is one of the few trails we have that you can hike up out of the canyon almost all winter long. I have yet to see someone on this trail when I have hiked it.

Don 

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