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PStrobel
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I've been in touch w/ ODOT and the Forest Service. They are targeting end of spring/ early summer before the highway is opened back up. PGE says they will be ready to open up Hole in the Wall & Moore Creek as soon as ODOT is ready.

ODOT is only responsible for 224 (up to Ripplebrook). I've not heard anything concrete for where it turns to 46 and on to Detroit.

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Wow, that will be like 8 or 9 months.  They reopened 22 in less than a month.  But I can't say I'm surprised.  I wonder if/when road 45 will reopen - either the Hillockburn end or the end by 224 (the one that has been closed since the 36 pit fire).

Thanks for the info.

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OR 224 Remains Closed for Fast, Safe Recovery

 
Feb 17, 2021

 

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MHNF has added this statement to their website:

Hwy. 224 is CLOSED just past Promontory Park probably until mid-summer 2021. The Hwy 224/FR 46 corridor experienced many areas of high fire intensity and has many areas full of hazard trees and hillsides likely to give way.

Ugh!

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One glimmer of hope I saw is that the Olallie Lake resort is planning to open, although much later than normal.  According to their website, they are planning to open July 2nd:

https://www.olallielakeresort.com/

That would imply that they expect the roads to Olallie to be open by then.

My fear is that 224 will re-open but they won't have done anything on 46 so you will be stopped at Ripplebrook.  I guess time will tell.  It appears we have a while longer to wait.....

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The news about Olallie is encouraging.

The Forest Service, ODOT & PGE are scheduled to present at an Estacada City Council workshop this evening at 6:00. You can watch via Zoom or wait for the replay on YouTube.

Zoom Info: https://www.cityofestacada.org/bc-citycouncil/page/city-council-workshop-virtual-8

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PStrobel said
The news about Olallie is encouraging.

The Forest Service, ODOT & PGE are scheduled to present at an Estacada City Council workshop this evening at 6:00. You can watch via Zoom or wait for the replay on YouTube.

Zoom Info: https://www.cityofestacada.org/bc-citycouncil/page/city-council-workshop-virtual-8  

I watched this last night and I have to say it was very depressing.  It certainly does sound like the north end of the 46 road will not reopen at all in 2021, which means a very short hiking season for almost all the trails in the Clackamas district AND a VERY, VERY long detour to get to anything.

I wish there would be an "at your own risk" type of opening, but they seem intent on not allowing ANY access to ANY area until they deem it as safe as the local Fred Meyer.

I really didn't hear ANY good news at all......

If you were able to get the presentation from the USFS, it would be great if you could upload it.  There were some interesting photos in there that I had not seen before.

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It's on youtube now

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Found this on FB this morning:
 
Oregon Department of Transportation

is continuing work on State Hwy 224 to assess hazard trees killed or weakened by the Riverside Fire. They estimate the highway will re-open to Ripplebrook in mid-summer.

How do they make those assessments? Certified arborists follow FEMA criteria & Forest Service guidelines to determine if a tree is a “hazard tree.” Hazard trees are dead or dying trees that will present an eminent threat to the traveling public within a five year time-frame.
Meet one of the arborists in the video:
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I sat in on a meeting with ODOT, Forest Service, PGE, Clackamas Co Tourism, Mt Hood Tourism, and several river outfitters. The meeting was recorded by the city and should be on YouTube soon. 

 

Key Points:

1. ODOT says they do not plan to open the highway this year. When pressed on that, they conceded and said at least not through the summer.

2. ODOT agreed to consider 'sequencing' - working on the part of the river up to some of the popular spots for rafters/kayakers to put in. They said they hope to get back to us in about two weeks.

3. The Forest Service has a priority of opening areas not in the 'burn perimeter'. Areas include La Dee Flats and Timothy Lake. No solid timeframe given. But they did site that the current closure ends on May 27. 

Lots of pushback from the whitewater folks. Several have been up there doing some work for PGE. They pointed out that trees have already been cleared up to the Moore Creek/ Hole in the Wall areas. And pointing out that the Forest Service and ODOT did not shut things down this tightly after Pit 36.

ODOT said they would review and get back to us. The Forest Service said they understand the impact to our community and businesses and are making every effort to open safely.

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Thank you for the update.

Every time I hear an update it gets worse and worse.  First it was spring, then it was spring to summer, then it was mid summer and now it is fall or maybe not at all until next year?  They opened up highway 22 in a few weeks!  We are now at 7 months of closure for 224.

Even though I disagree with keeping the burn perimeter closed indefinitely, keeping 46 closed past Ripplebrook closes a HUGE number of trails, including all of BOTW which just seems incredibly wrong to me.  The Forest Service wants to make it "safe", which it isn't.  It never has been, and trying to say it is "safe" is just wrong.  There is inherent danger in heading out into the woods, even before the burn, and you can't mitigate that no matter how hard you try.

I will be interesting to hear the discussions - please post the YouTube link when it is available.

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Well, ODOT may have made up their mind - this article came out yesterday:

https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2021/04/incredibly-popular-stretch-of-oregon-river-wont-reopen-this-summer-after-wildfire-damage.html

Our own Pete Giordano said it very well:

“Their standard of safety is excessive,” he said. “It’s like they’re trying to make it perfect by removing every possible hazard tree. But that road has never been perfect. There has always been issues like rocks on that highway and that was just part of the deal when you drove up there. You were prepared for it and accepted it.”

I don't know what else can be done - it's like someone REALLY doesn't want anyone up there and doesn't care about the economic damage it is causing to a variety of folks.

Now they aren't committing to any timeline and it "may" reopen in the fall.  I won't hold my breath.

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On May 12, I had the opportunity to go upriver and survey the scene. I went with Pete Giordano, a couple other rafting guides, and senator Bill Kennemer. We've all been pretty vocal about the need to open things up. We met with representatives of the Forest Service and ODOT. We had stops at the Memaloose weigh station, Moore Creek, and Hole in the Wall.

Key Takeaways:

* We all felt it looked better than we were expecting. It was still devastating seeing the vast amount of burnt trees. But some trees survived and the forest floor was filling in fast giving us a fair amount of hope.

* Animals (& bugs) are returning. Some habitats of the spotted owl & peregrine falcons survived & are populated. Bear, bobcat, cougar, deer, and a herd of elk have all been seen.  

* The spotted owl and falcon habitats have slowed down progress - no work can be done in the nesting areas during nesting season.

* They're still NOT planning to open 224 this summer. Despite our best efforts to encourage at least a partial opening.

* Trails and side roads will NOT open this year. They are in the process of barricading forest roads and putting up warning signs.

* La Dee Flats may open sometime in July.

* Though they cited trees falling as an ongoing concern, they said the biggest concern is the slides. One large area just before Hole in the Wall is nothing but dirt - no trees, no rocks, no green. It must have been a massive slide. They were taking down a huge section of the fencing (netting?) that keeps the rocks back so that they could do more rock face repair and tree removal.

That sums up my main points. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm happy to help if I can.

I'll post a few pictures in the picture section.

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PStrobel said
On May 12, I had the opportunity to go upriver and survey the scene. I went with Pete Giordano, a couple other rafting guides, and senator Bill Kennemer. We've all been pretty vocal about the need to open things up. We met with representatives of the Forest Service and ODOT. We had stops at the Memaloose weigh station, Moore Creek, and Hole in the Wall.

Key Takeaways:

* We all felt it looked better than we were expecting. It was still devastating seeing the vast amount of burnt trees. But some trees survived and the forest floor was filling in fast giving us a fair amount of hope.

* Animals (& bugs) are returning. Some habitats of the spotted owl & peregrine falcons survived & are populated. Bear, bobcat, cougar, deer, and a herd of elk have all been seen.  

* The spotted owl and falcon habitats have slowed down progress - no work can be done in the nesting areas during nesting season.

* They're still NOT planning to open 224 this summer. Despite our best efforts to encourage at least a partial opening.

* Trails and side roads will NOT open this year. They are in the process of barricading forest roads and putting up warning signs.

* La Dee Flats may open sometime in July.

* Though they cited trees falling as an ongoing concern, they said the biggest concern is the slides. One large area just before Hole in the Wall is nothing but dirt - no trees, no rocks, no green. It must have been a massive slide. They were taking down a huge section of the fencing (netting?) that keeps the rocks back so that they could do more rock face repair and tree removal.

That sums up my main points. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm happy to help if I can.

I'll post a few pictures in the picture section.  

Thanks for the report and the pictures.  I'm very disappointed but not surprised.

When you said 224 will not reopen this summer is there still hope for it reopening in the fall?  Or are they going to keep it closed all of 2021 and into 2022?

Barricading the roads is ridiculous honestly.  I don't know how falling trees are any different than any other time of the year.  Trees fall over roads every winter and even in the summer during windstorms trees can fall.  They can't magically eliminate the risk of driving in the forest.

Have you heard any reports of re-opening the 45 road from Hillockburn?  I'm guessing that will be closed longer than 224 the way the Forest Service is taking its time.

I saw on the Olallie Lake resort website they have delayed their opening from July 2nd to July 15th but are still planning to open this season.  I'm curious how people will be able to get there?

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They would like to have 224 opened up by fall. We pushed back on the falling tree issue, too. Most trees near the highway have been addressed. 

I asked about Hillockburn - all they said was that it is being actively worked.

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Ughh... I just saw an update from ODOT saying 224 will be closed through the fall.

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PStrobel said
Ughh... I just saw an update from ODOT saying 224 will be closed through the fall.  

That is just ludicrous.  So 224 will be closed for over a year.  That is just complete insanity.

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( @Rob:   Maybe this belongs in trip reports...  Please move and re-title it if appropriate)

I have been lurking this forum for more than a few years now, and spend quite a bit of time in the upper Clackamas basin. I have finally decided to give a little back to the community. I couldn't just lurk forever, right? 

Here's some good news: I drove on NF-46 yesterday afternoon for the first time since last Labor day.

Short TLDR; version: NF-46 is accessible from 42 and is open from 1.5 miles below Austin HS up to NF-4690 (Olallie Lake turnoff). 

Here's how it happened.

Last Thursday, they opened 57 to Timothy Lake and below the dam. I made it in to Harriet Lake Thursday and spent the night. There was a gate next to the day use area that was closed and marked "No entry etc" that closed off Pipeline Road to the dam and below. The camp host said it was okay to walk down the road to fish... (BTW the fishing was great Thursday night and Friday AM).

A PGE employee I talked with at the gate at Harriet Friday morning. I hadn't gone down 57 below the turnoff to Harriet, but did notice that the road was open and was curious. He said that some of the 57 spurs (?5720 / ?5730) were open, but 57 was closed down the hill before you get to 46.  He also mentioned that the fire had crossed Pipeline Rd and went up the hill burning some of the Cripple Creek Trail area, and had made it up the hill to the Mt. Mitchell trailhead.

At 1PM (with a a some fat trout in the cooler), I headed back up the hill to see if I could make it into Olallie Lake (I usually try to get into Olallie before Memorial Day). On Thursday afternoon, I had noticed that 42 was open going down from the Timothy Lake cutoff. 

I went down 42, and took the appropriate turns (4230/4220) to get to Olallie. Near the Sisi Butte Lookout road there was some snow still left on the sides of the road. I made it as far as the "Green Gate" (5 miles to Olallie Lake) where Skyline road joins 4690. The gate was closed, with the "Do Not Enter Or Else" type  signs posted and big boulders moved to the right and left of the gate.  Hmmm...  but 4690 was not blocked...   

Well...    I went down the 4690 road, noting that much of the brush and small trees near the road had been removed. There were small piles of 4-5 ft long apx. 10 inch diameter logs (?firewood?) similar to that which I had seen up on 42. I also noted that the road had perhaps been graded. There were not nearly as many potholes as I remember last year. Partway down 4690 I saw large cement barriers that blocked the 4691 road to Fish Lake (the powerline shortcut). They we marked with similar "do not enter due to fire" warnings.

Much to my surprise I made it down to 46! There were barriers that blocked entry uphill towards 6350 and Detroit, but the road downstream was open! So, I went downstream. Thinking "Lets see how far downstream I can go... Am I even allowed to be here? I hope I don't get locked in LOL"

A few miles down the road I could see some burnt areas across the valley and up on the ridges (Collawash Mountain?), and in a very few spots 100 yards or so from the road. 

I went down 46 to NF-4670 and crossed the Clackamas river bridge. Apparently this area was now accessible too. (GREAT news! It looks like the Rho Ridge area is accessible from the north.)

Back to 46 I went to see how far down I could go. I passed 42 and kept on going.... As I passed Austin HS I saw one car and a tent, the first people I had seen in the valley, and it was the fewest people  I have seen camped there in many years. 

Eventually 46 came to a locked gate about a mile and a half below Austin HS, so I stopped to reflect on the wonder of it all. The river and canyon between 4690 and here was still unburnt and as beautiful as ever. Even moreover, there weren't a lot of folks camped in the usual spots next to the road...

As I reflected a couple drove in. We chatted a bit, and they mentioned that they had attempted to get up to Mt Lowe via 4670 but were stopped by snow before they could get to Granite Peaks road (6310). By the sound of it, they had made it past Tarzan Springs to the usual last snow blockage at Lowe Creek canyon. Very nice to hear...

I decided to go home via 42. I filled my water bottles at the 4670 spring before I left God's Country for the evening. The trip up 42 was as smooth and uphill as ever. From 4670 to Oregon City took me about 2 hours and 15 minutes, about a half hour longer than it would have if 224 was open. Not bad. 

All and all it was a great day. They have opened up a "backdoor" to a part of heaven.

Ted

p.s.   Hey Rob: earlier you said: "...keeping 46 closed past Ripplebrook closes a HUGE number of trails, including all of BOTW... "   

Agreed, but I bet one can now get into the BOTW area by being a little crafty and going over Graham Pass, right? Should be pretty quiet up there this year by my reckoning. 

Map showing open/closed areas implying BOTW open

Gate at Harriet

Photo of gated 46 looking downstream at closure 1.5 miles below Austin HS

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This is great news!  Thanks for posting this.  Lots of good info.

That last spot of snow on 4670 sometimes doesn't melt out until late Jun or early Jul.  Maybe this year it will be a little sooner than that.

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